SB 10.87.30

SB 10.87.30

Devanagari

अपरिमिता ध्रुवास्तनुभृतो यदि सर्वगता- स्तर्हि न शास्यतेति नियमो ध्रुव नेतरथा । अजनि च यन्मयं तदविमुच्य नियन्तृ भवेत् सममनुजानतां यदमतं मतदुष्टतया ॥ ३० ॥

Verse text

aparimitā dhruvās tanu-bhṛto yadi sarva-gatās tarhi na śāsyateti niyamo dhruva netarathā ajani ca yan-mayaṁ tad avimucya niyantṛ bhavet samam anujānatāṁ yad amataṁ mata-duṣṭatayā

Synonyms

aparimitāḥ countless ; dhruvāḥ permanent ; tanu bhṛtaḥ — the embodied living entities ; yadi if ; sarva gatāḥ — omnipresent ; tarhi then ; na not ; śāsyatā sovereignty ; iti such ; niyamaḥ rule ; dhruva O unchanging one ; na not ; itarathā otherwise ; ajani was generated ; ca and ; yat mayam — from whose substance ; tat from that ; avimucya not separating itself ; niyantṛ regulator ; bhavet must be ; samam equally present ; anujānatām of those who supposedly know ; yat which ; amatam misunderstood ; mata of what is known ; duṣṭatayā because of the imperfection .

Translation

If the countless living entities were all-pervading and possessed forms that never changed, You could not possibly be their absolute ruler, O immutable one. But since they are Your localized expansions and their forms are subject to change, You do control them. Indeed, that which supplies the ingredients for the generation of something is necessarily its controller because a product never exists apart from its ingredient cause. It is simply illusion for someone to think that he knows the Supreme Lord, who is equally present in each of His expansions, since whatever knowledge one gains by material means must be imperfect.

Translation (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

If the countless living entities were all-pervading and possessed forms that never changed, You could not possibly be their absolute ruler, O immutable one. But since they are Your localized expansions and their forms are subject to change, You do control them. Indeed, that which supplies the ingredients for the generation of something is necessarily its controller because a product never exists apart from its ingredient cause. It is simply illusion for someone to think that he knows the Supreme Lord, who is equally present in each of His expansions, since whatever knowledge one gains by material means must be imperfect. KB 10.87.30 The personified Vedas continued to pray. “Dear Lord,” they said, “from all Vedic information it is understood that You are the supreme controller and all living entities are controlled. Both the Lord and the living entities are called nitya, eternal, and so are qualitatively one, yet the singular nitya, or the Supreme Lord, is the controller, whereas the plural nityas are controlled. The individual controlled living entity resides within the body, and the supreme controller, as Supersoul, is also present there, but the Supersoul controls the individual soul. That is the verdict of the Vedas. If the individual soul were not controlled by the Supersoul, then how could one explain the Vedic version that a living entity transmigrates from one body to another and enjoys or suffers the effects of his past deeds, sometimes being promoted to a higher standard of life and sometimes being degraded to a lower standard? Thus the conditioned souls are not only under the control of the Supreme Lord but are also conditioned by the control of the material nature. This relationship of the living entities with the Supreme Lord as the controlled and the controller definitely proves that although the Supersoul is all-pervasive, the individual living entities are never all-pervasive. If the individual souls were all-pervasive, there would be no question of their being controlled. The theory that the Supersoul and the individual soul are equal is therefore a polluted conclusion, and no sensible person accepts it; rather, one should try to understand the distinctions between the supreme eternal and the subordinate eternals.” The personified Vedas therefore concluded: “O Lord, You are the unlimited eternal (dhruva), and the living entities are the limited eternals.” The form of the unlimited eternal is sometimes conceived as the universal form, and in Vedic literatures like the Upaniṣads the form of the limited eternal is vividly described. It is said therein that the original, spiritual form of the living entity is one ten-thousandth the size of the tip of a hair. It is also stated that spirit is greater than the greatest and smaller than the smallest. The individual living entities, who are eternally part and parcel of God, are smaller than the smallest. With our material senses we can perceive neither the Supreme, who is greater than the greatest, nor the individual soul, who is smaller than the smallest. From the authoritative sources of Vedic literature we have to understand both Him who is greater than the greatest and him who is smaller than the smallest. The Vedic literature states that the Supersoul is sitting within the heart of every living entity’s body and is as big as a thumb. Therefore the argument may be put forward, How can something the size of a thumb be accommodated within the heart of an ant? The answer is that this thumb measurement of the Supersoul is imagined in proportion to the body of the living entity. In no circumstance, therefore, can the Supersoul and the individual living entity be taken as one, although both of them enter within the material body of a living entity. The Supersoul lives within the heart to direct or control the individual living entity. Although both are dhruva, or eternal, the living entity is always under the direction of the Supreme. It may be argued that because the living entities are born of the material nature they are all equal and independent. In the Vedic literature, however, it is said that the Supreme Personality of Godhead impregnates the material nature with the living entities and then they come out. Therefore, the appearance of the individual living entities is not factually due to material nature alone, just as a child produced by a woman is not her independent production. A woman is first impregnated by a man, and then a child is produced. As such, the child produced by the woman is part and parcel of the man. Similarly, the living entities are apparently produced by the material nature, but not independently. It is due to the impregnation of the material nature by the supreme father that the living entities are present. Therefore the argument that the individual living entities are not parts and parcels of the Supreme cannot stand. For example, the different parts of the body cannot be taken as equal to the whole; rather, the whole body is the controller of the different limbs. Similarly, the parts and parcels of the supreme whole are always dependent and are always controlled by the source of the parts and parcels. It is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā that the living entities are parts and parcels of Kṛṣṇa: mamaivāṁśaḥ. No sane man, therefore, will accept the theory that the Supersoul and the individual soul are of the same category. They are equal in quality, but quantitatively the Supersoul is always the Supreme, and the individual soul is always subordinate to the Supersoul. That is the conclusion of the Vedas. The significant word used in this connection is yan-maya, or cin-maya. In Sanskrit grammar, the word mayaṭ is used in the sense of “transformation,” and also in the sense of “abundance.” The Māyāvādī philosophers interpret that the word yan-maya, or cin-maya, indicates that the living entity is always equal to the Supreme. But one has to consider whether this affix, mayaṭ, is used for “abundance” or for “transformation.” The living entity never possesses anything exactly in the same proportion as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore, this mayaṭ affix cannot be used to mean that the individual living entity is quantitatively equal with the Lord. The individual living entity never has complete knowledge; otherwise, how could he have come under the control of māyā, or the material energy? The word “abundant” can be accepted, therefore, only in proportion to the magnitude of the living entity. The spiritual oneness of the Supreme Lord and the living entities is never to be accepted as homogeneity. Each and every living entity is individual. If homogeneous oneness is accepted, then by the liberation of one individual soul, all other individual souls would have been liberated immediately. But the fact is that every individual soul is differently enjoying and suffering in the material world. As mentioned above, the word mayaṭ is also used in the sense of “transformation”; sometimes it is also used to mean “by-product.” The impersonalist theory is that Brahman Himself has accepted different types of bodies and that this is His līlā, or pastime. There are, however, many hundreds and thousands of species of life in different standards of living conditions, such as human beings, demigods, animals, birds and beasts, and if all of them were plenary expansions of the Supreme Absolute Truth, then there would be no question of liberation, because Brahman would already be liberated. Another interpretation put forward by the Māyāvādīs is that in every millennium different types of bodies are manifest, and when the millennium is closed all the different bodies, or expansions of Brahman, automatically become one, ending all different manifestations. Then in the next millennium, according to this theory, Brahman again expands in different bodily forms. If we accept this theory, then Brahman becomes subject to change. But this cannot be accepted. From the Vedānta-sūtra we understand that Brahman is by nature joyful. He cannot, therefore, change Himself into a body which is subject to so many painful conditions. Actually, the living entities are infinitesimal parts and parcels of Brahman, and as such they are prone to be covered by the illusory energy. As explained before, the particles of Brahman are like sparks blissfully dancing within a fire, but there is a chance of their falling from the fire to smoke, although smoke is another condition of fire. This material world is just like smoke, and the spiritual world is like a blazing fire. The innumerable living entities are prone to fall down to the material world from the spiritual world when influenced by the illusory energy, and it is also possible for the living entity to be liberated again when by cultivation of real knowledge he becomes completely freed from the contamination of the material world.

Purport

Because the conditioned soul cannot directly understand the Supreme, the Vedas commonly refer to that Supreme Truth in such impersonal terms as Brahman and oṁ tat sat. If an ordinary scholar presumes to know the confidential meaning of these symbolic references, he should be rejected as an imposter. In the words of Śrī Kena Upaniṣad (2.1), yadi manyase su-vedeti dabhram evāpi nūnaṁ tvaṁ vettha brahmaṇo rūpaṁ, yad asya tvaṁ yad asya deveṣu: “If you think you know Brahman well, then your knowledge is very meager. If you think you can identify Brahman’s form from among the demigods, indeed you know but little.” And again: yasyāmataṁ tasya mataṁ mataṁ yasya na veda saḥ avijṣātaṁ vijānatāṁ vijṣātam avijānatām “Whoever denies having any opinion of his own about the Supreme Truth is correct in his opinion, whereas one who has his own opinion about the Supreme does not know Him. He is unknown to those who claim to know Him, and can only be known by those who do not claim to know Him.” ( Kena Upaniṣad 2.3) Ācārya Śrīdhara Svāmī gives the following explanation of this verse: Many philosophers have studied the mysteries of life from various perspectives and have formed widely differing theories. The Advaita Māyāvādīs, for example, propose that there is only one living being and one power of illusion ( avidyā ) that covers him, producing the appearance of plurality. But this hypothesis leads to the absurd conclusion that when any one living being becomes liberated, everyone obtains liberation. If, on the other hand, there are many avidyās to cover the one living being, each avidyā will cover only some part of him, and we would have to talk about his becoming partly liberated at particular times while his other parts remain in bondage. This is also obviously absurd. Thus the plurality of living beings is an unavoidable conclusion. Furthermore, there are other theoreticians, namely the proponents of Nyāya and Vaiśeṣika, who claim that the jīva soul is infinite in size. If souls were infinitesimal, these scholars argue, they would not pervade their own bodies, whereas if they were of medium size they would be divisible into parts and thus could not be eternal, at least according to the axioms of Nyāya-Vaiśeṣika metaphysics. But if the numerous eternal jīva souls are each infinitely large, how could they be covered by any power of bondage, whether belonging to avidyā or to the Supreme Lord Himself? According to this theory, there can be no illusion for the soul, no limitations from which to be liberated. The infinite souls must eternally remain as they are, without change. This would mean that the souls would all be equal to God, since He would have no scope for controlling these all-pervading, unchanging rivals. The Vedic śruti-mantras, which affirm unequivocally the mastery of the Lord over the individual souls, cannot be validly contradicted. A true philosopher must accept the statements of śruti as reliable authority on all matters they touch. Certainly in numerous places the Vedic literatures contrast the Supreme Lord’s perpetual, unchanging oneness with the ever-changing embodiments of living beings caught up in the cycle of birth and death. Śrīla Śrīdhara Svāmī prays: antar-yantā sarva-lokasya gītaḥ śrutyā yuktyā caivam evāvaseyaḥ yaḥ sarva-jṣaḥ sarva-śaktir nṛṣiṁhaḥ śrīmantaṁ taṁ cetasaivāvalambe “In my heart I take shelter of Him who is glorified as the inner controller of all the worlds, and whom the Vedas ascertain in truth through logical reasoning. He is Nṛsiṁha, the omniscient and omnipotent Lord of the goddess of fortune.”

Purport (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

"There are many opinions about this jiva who accepted different moving and non moving bodies. One is the theory that there is one ignorance and one jiva." "But then if one jiva becomes liberated from one ignorance, all should become liberated. And if ignorance were variously distributed in various parts of the one jiva (to give the appearanace of many jivas), then because some parts would remain in ignorance in the world, there would be no liberation. Therefore there must be many jivas." "But if the jivas are very small in size, they could not pervade the whole body." "If it were medium sized, then it could spread throughout the body, but then it would not be eternal. Therefore the jivas should be all pervading or big and also eternal, without birth. Then there would no be fault ascribed above (the jiva being covered by maya), because of the impossibility of bondage or liberation by part of avidya or part of its sakti for such jivas." The srutis then explain in this verse that others do not accept this philosophy. "If the jivas (tanubhrta) are unlimited in number (aparimita) and eternal (dhruva), not generated by you, and are all pervading, then, being equal to you, the scriptures would not say that they are under your control. O Lord of eternal form (dhruva), in the opposite condition, this would not be so (na itaratha); that is, if they were generated from you, then they would not be all pervading, and thus would be under your control. How is this? Though coming into existence as an effect of brahman, Brahman would be their controller, not rejecting them because he is their source. What is this Brahman? He is similar to all jivas in his expansion as paramatma. If someone asks what is known by the word "tat" (paramatma), someone answers "it is this," but, for those who want to know (anujanatam), it is almost not known (amatam), because the Vedas state that there is fault in that knowledge (mata dustataya)." The srutis say this. Yasyamatam tasya matam matam yasya na veda sah Avijnatam vijanatam vijnatam avijanatam The person who thinks he cannot know brahman completely can know brahman. He who thinks he knows brahman completely do not know brahman. For those who think they know brahman, brahman cannot be realized. For those who understand that they cannot know brahman completely, brahman can be realized. Kena Upanisad 2.3 (Avacanenaiva provaceti sa ha tusnim babhuva By not speaking he spoke. He then became silent. I could not find these phrases in any of the major upanisads or Vedas, brahmanas etc. sa ha tusnim asa occurs in chandogya upanisad but without the first phrase. Perhaps this is some altnerative version of the kena upanisad since the previous and following verses are both from there.??????) Yadi manyase suvediti dabhram evapi nunam tvam vetha brahmano rupam yad asya tvam yad asya devesu atha nu mimasyam eva te O student, if you think you know brahman well, then you know minutely the qualities of brahman. Therefore, since you know very little, you should now inquire into the brahman which is in you and in the devatas. Kena upanisad 2.1

Purport (Jiva Goswami)

Some śrutis decide that they want to define the jīva in order to show that they should have bhakti for the Lord. Some say that there is only one conscious entity spread everywhere which becomes unlimited jīvas by upādhis of prominent rajas and tamas arising from avidyā (ignorance). By predominance of sattva-guṇa that consciousness becomes the Supreme Lord. Others say that jīvas arise when pure consciousness takes shelter of avidyā. By rejecting that position others say that the jīvas are by their nature perfect, infinite, eternal and full of power like the Lord. Previously deciding to defeat the idea that the jīva is independently perfect, accepting the unlimited and eternal nature as a possible condition of the jīva by using the word “if”, the śrutis then refute this hypothesis. O shelter of everything (dhruva)! If the jīvas were unlimited and eternal, and consequently all-pervading (meaning powerful), the jīvas would not be under your control as defined in the scriptures, since your power would not extend to them. And if they are not all powerful, then one cannot say that definition did not apply to them, since your power would extend to them. No object is independent of you. By your knowledge, all beings become empowered with knowledge. It is also said that all jīvas arise from you. Thus they are under your control by the extension of your powers. The effects such as a spark arising from fire cannot be separated from fire. Spreading over the whole object by a portion of its śakti or a portion of its svarūpa, the fire becomes the controller. In its absence the spark would not have qualities of fire. Those who say that you are like other objects and accept that as knowledge do not know your form as antaryāmī. Such opinions reject the knowledge given in the śrutis (duṣṭatayā). Like the sun and its rays and particles of light, from you the tataṣṭha-śakti arises in the form of small particles. By the special power of the object, the jīvas then give life to their bodies like magnets, in the manner of guṇād vā: the ātmā pervades the body like light. (Brahma-sūtra 2.3.24) Mahān aja ātmā: the ātmā is unborn and great. (Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad) Mahā means “having consciousness” in the context. The ātmā spreads its influence just as a great gem spreads its influence. In this way, it is concluded that the jīva is subject to control. The jīva is a servant and bhakti is proven as previously and later. yathā prakāśayaty ekaḥ kṛtsnaṁ lokam imaṁ raviḥ kṣetraṁ kṣetrī tathā kṛtsnaṁ prakāśayati bhārata Just as one sun lights up the whole world, this ātmā illuminates the whole body, O descendent of Bharata. BG 13.34 Kṛṣṇa speaks to Uddhava, indicating his unlimited greatness and the jīvas smallness. Mahatāṁ ca mahān aham sūkṣmāṇām apy ahaṁ jīvaḥ: among great things I am the total material creation; among subtle things I am the jīva. SB 11.16.11 bālāgra-śataśo bhāgaḥ kalpito yaḥ sahasra-dhā tasyāpi śataśo bhāgo jīva ity abhidhīyate If a tip of hair is divided into hundred piees and then each into a thousand, and then each piece is again divided into a hundred, that is the size of the jīva. Viṣṇu -dharmottara Śruti says: bālāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya ca bhāgo jīvaḥ sa vijñeyaḥ sa cānantyāya kalpate When the upper point of a hair is divided into one hundred parts and again each of such parts is further divided into one hundred parts, each such part is the measurement of the dimension of the spirit soul. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad Eko devaḥ sarva-bhūteṣu gūḍhaḥ: the one Lord is hidden in all jīvas. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad na tat-samas abhyadhikaś ca dṛśyate: the Lord has no equal or superior. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad One should see the details in the Paramātmā and Bhagavat Sandarbhas.

Purport (Sanatana Goswami)

To define the nature of other jīva, he is first rejected as being a supreme entity. The jivas are unlimited in number (aparimitāḥ). One never sees lack of a multitude of jīvas, since from beginningless time they are released from the Lord during every mahākalpa. They are eternal (dhruvāḥ) according to the Vaiṣṇavas, since when they destroy their material bodies, coverings of ignorance, they attain spiritual bodies. But if these eternal unlimited jīvas were all pervading, they would not be under your control, being equal to you. They are otherwise (itaratha), not all pervading. Since the spark (yan-mayam) is not separate from the fire (tad avimucya), the fire is its controller (niyantṛ) since the spark is its aṁśa and small. Cit śakti has two types: supreme and ordinary. The supreme cit śakti resides in the Lord and by his mercy, a special portion of that resides in the associates in the spiritual world. The ordinary cit śakti resides in the jīvas, time and pradhāna. After mahāpralaya the jīvas endowed with ordinary cit śakti, like sparks of a fire, covered by beginningless ignorance, manifest from the Lord as Vāsudeva or Paramātmā, the form of great consciousness. They are controlled by the Lord. Kalpānāṁ jana-sāmye hi muktir naivopapadyate Kadācid api dharmajña tatra pṛcchāmi kāraṇam Ekaikasmin nare muktiṁ kalpe kalpe gate dvija Abhavisyaj jagac chūyaṁ kālasyāder abhavataḥ At the end of Brahmā’s life the jīvas should not attain liberation at all. O knower of dharma! I ask the reason. If the all jīvas attained liberation in each kalpa the universe would become empty and there would be no time. Viṣṇu-dharma Asked by Vajra, Mārkaṇḍeya answered. Jīva-sthānasya sargeṇa nare muktim upāgate Acintya’śaktir bhagavān jagat pūrayate sadā Brahmaṇā saha mucyante brahmalokam upāgatāḥ Sṛjyante ca mahākalpe tad vidhāś cāparā janāḥ Sarve jīvāḥ pramāṇāḥ syuḥ sarve kalpās tathā nṛpa When men are liberated in the created world where they reside, the Lord with his acintya-śakti fills it up. Those who attain Brahmaloka attain liberation with Brahmā. Other persons are created in the mahākalpa. All jīvas are measured out. This occurs in all kalpas, O king! It is said the jīvas are created. How can they be without beginning? The unlimited jīvas remain a special cavity of the Lord’s māya-śakti since the jīvas have piles of waiting karmas. Among them some manifest in a particular kalpa. That is called sarga. They are not created. These jīvas are small particles since śrutis describe them as the size of the tip of a spoke. Ahaṁ sūkṣmānāṁ apy aham jīva: of small things I am the jīva. (SB 11.16.11) bālāgra-śataśo bhāgaḥ kalpito yaḥ sahasra-dhā tasyāpi śataśo bhāgo jīva ity abhidhīyate If a tip of hair is divided into hundred piees and then each into a thousand, and then each piece is again divided into a hundred, that is the size of the jīva. Viṣṇu-dharmottara Though small particles they pervade the body by their consciousness. Just as a lamp spreads light in a room, the small jīva brings life to the body by its special influence of consciousness. By influence a magnet makes a piece of iron near it move. aṇu-mātro 'py ayaṁ jīvaḥ sva-dehaṁ vyāpya tiṣṭhati yathā vyāpya śarīrāṇi haricandana-vipruṣaḥ Just as a drop of sandalwood oil spreads throughout the body, the atomic jīva spreads throughout the body and remains there. Brahmāṇḍa Purāṇa Though this is the general svarūpa of all jīvas, by the influence of bhakti, the svarūpa of the devotees, manifesting astonishing śakti, is very different. They experience the Lord since the Lord is attracted to bhakti alone. To others he is neutral. Some know the Lord as equal (samam) to the devotee and to others. Or since you are the controller of the jīvas you should see them equally. But this is wrong (amatam) because of contaminated knowledge (matasya). Or “Jīvas may be controlled but Śiva and others are equal to the Lord.” Some know them as equal, but that is wrong.