SB 10.87.41

SB 10.87.41

Devanagari

द्युपतय एव ते न ययुरन्तमनन्ततयात्वमपि यदन्तराण्डनिचया ननु सावरणा: ख इव रजांसि वान्ति वयसा सह यच्छ्रुतय-स्त्वयि हि फलन्त्यतन्निरसनेन भवन्निधना: ॥ ४१ ॥

Verse text

dyu-pataya eva te na yayur antam anantatayā tvam api yad-antarāṇḍa-nicayā nanu sāvaraṇāḥ kha iva rajāṁsi vānti vayasā saha yac chrutayas tvayi hi phalanty atan-nirasanena bhavan-nidhanāḥ

Synonyms

dyu of heaven ; patayaḥ the masters ; eva even ; te Your ; na yayuḥ cannot reach ; antam the end ; anantatayā because of being unlimited ; tvam You ; api even ; yat whom ; antara within ; aṇḍa of universes ; nicayāḥ multitudes ; nanu indeed ; sa along with ; āvaranāḥ their outer shells ; khe in the sky ; iva as ; rajāṁsi particles of dust ; vānti blow about ; vayasā saha with the wheel of time ; yat because ; śrutayaḥ the Vedas ; tvayi in You ; hi indeed ; phalanti bear fruit ; atat of that which is distinct from the Absolute Truth ; nirasanena by the elimination ; bhavat in You ; nidhanāḥ whose ultimate conclusion .

Translation

Because You are unlimited, neither the lords of heaven nor even You Yourself can ever reach the end of Your glories. The countless universes, each enveloped in its shell, are compelled by the wheel of time to wander within You, like particles of dust blowing about in the sky. The śrutis, following their method of eliminating everything separate from the Supreme, become successful by revealing You as their final conclusion.

Translation (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

Because You are unlimited, neither the lords of heaven nor even You Yourself can ever reach the end of Your glories. The countless universes, each enveloped in its shell, are compelled by the wheel of time to wander within You, like particles of dust blowing about in the sky. The śrutis, following their method of eliminating everything separate from the Supreme, become successful by revealing You as their final conclusion. KB 10.87.41 “Dear Lord, although Lord Brahmā, the predominating deity of the highest planet, Brahmaloka, and King Indra, the predominating demigod of the heavenly planets, as well as the predominating deities of such planets as the sun and the moon, are all very confidential directors of this material world, they have very little knowledge about You. Then what can ordinary human beings and mental speculators know of You? It is not possible for anyone to enumerate the unlimited transcendental qualities of Your Lordship. No one, not even the mental speculators and the demigods in higher planetary systems, is actually able to estimate the length and breadth of Your form and characteristics. We think that even Your Lordship does not have complete knowledge of Your transcendental qualities. The reason is that You are unlimited. Although it is not befitting to say that You do not know Yourself, it is practical to understand that because You have unlimited qualities and energies and because Your knowledge is also unlimited, there is unlimited competition between Your knowledge and Your expansion of energies.” The idea is that because God and His knowledge are both unlimited, as soon as God is cognizant of some of His energies, He perceives that He has still more energies. In this way, both His energies and His knowledge increase. Because both of them are unlimited, there is no end to the energies and no end to the knowledge with which to understand the energies. God is undoubtedly omniscient, but the personified Vedas say that even God Himself does not know the full extent of His energies. This does not mean that God is not omniscient. When an actual fact is unknown to a certain person, this is called ignorance or lack of knowledge. This is not applicable to God, however, because He knows Himself perfectly. But still, as His energies and activities increase, He also increases His knowledge to understand them. Both are increasing unlimitedly, and there is no end to it. In that sense it can be said that even God Himself does not know the limit of His energies and qualities. How God is unlimited in His expansion of energies and activities can be roughly calculated by any sane and sober living entity. It is said in the Vedic literature that innumerable universes issue forth when Mahā-Viṣṇu exhales in His yoga-nidrā and that innumerable universes enter His body when He inhales. We have to imagine that these universes, which according to our limited knowledge are expanded unlimitedly, are so great that the gross and subtle ingredients—the five elements of the cosmic manifestation, namely earth, water, fire, air and sky, along with the total material energy and false ego—are not only within the universe but cover the universe in seven layers, each layer ten times bigger than the previous one. In this way, each and every universe is very securely packed, and there are numberless universes. All these universes float within the innumerable pores of the transcendental body of Mahā-Viṣṇu. It is stated that just as the atoms and particles of dust are floating within the air along with the birds and their number cannot be calculated, so innumerable universes are floating within the pores of the transcendental body of the Lord. For this reason, the Vedas say that God is beyond the grasp of our knowledge. Avāṅ-mānasa-gocara: to understand the length and breadth of God is beyond the jurisdiction of our mental speculation. Therefore, a person who is actually learned and sane does not claim to be God but tries to understand God, making distinctions between spirit and matter. By such careful discrimination, one can clearly understand that the Supreme Soul is transcendental to both the superior and inferior energies, although He has a direct connection with both. In the Bhagavad-gītā, Lord Kṛṣṇa explains that although everything is resting on His energy, He is different or separate from the energy. Nature and the living entities are sometimes designated as prakṛti and puruṣa respectively. The whole cosmic manifestation is an amalgamation of prakṛti and puruṣa. Nature is the ingredient cause, and the living entities are the effective cause. These two causes combine together, and the effect is this cosmic manifestation. When one is fortunate enough to come to the right conclusion about this cosmic manifestation and everything going on within it, he knows it to be caused directly and indirectly by the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. It is concluded in the Brahma-saṁhitā, therefore, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ / anādir ādir govindaḥ sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1]. After much deliberation and consideration, when one has attained the perfection of knowledge, one comes to the conclusion that Kṛṣṇa, or God, is the original cause of all causes. Instead of speculating about the measurement of God—whether He is so long or so wide—or falsely philosophizing, one should come to the conclusion of the Brahma-saṁhitā: “Kṛṣṇa, or God, is sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1], the cause of all causes.” That is the perfection of knowledge.

Purport

Now, in their last prayer, the personified Vedas draw the conclusion that all śrutis, by their various literal and metaphorical references, ultimately describe the Supreme Personality of Godhead’s identity, personal qualities and powers. The Upaniṣads glorify Him without end: yad ūrdhvaṁ gārgi divo yad arvāk pṛthivyā yad antarā dyāvā-pṛthivī ime yad bhūtaṁ bhavac ca bhaviṣyac ca. “My dear daughter of Garga, His greatness encompasses everything above us in heaven, everything below the surface of the earth, everything in between heaven and earth, and everything that has ever existed, exists now or will ever exist.” ( Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 3.8.4) To illuminate the meaning of this final prayer by the śrutis, Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura presents the following conversation between Lord Nārāyaṇa and the personified Vedas: The Vedas said, “Lord Brahmā and the other rulers of the heavenly planets have not yet reached the end of Your glories. What can we do, then, since we are insignificant in comparison to these great demigods?” Lord Nārāyaṇa replied, “No, you śrutis are gifted with more sublime vision than the demigods who rule this universe. You will be able to reach the end of My glories if you do not stop now.” “But even You cannot find Your own limit!” “If that is the case, what do you mean when you call Me omniscient and omnipotent?” “We conclude that You possess these features from the very fact that You are limitless. Certainly if one is ignorant of something that does not even exist, like a rabbit’s horn, that does not detract from his omniscience, and if one fails to find such a nonentity, that does not limit his omnipotence. You are so vast that multitudes of universes float within You. Each of these universes is surrounded by seven shells composed of the material elements and each of these concentric shells is ten times larger than the one within it. Although we can never fully describe the truth about You, we perfect our existence by declaring that You are the true topic of the Vedas.” “But why do you seem dissatisfied?” “Because in the Vedas Śrīla Vyāsadeva has described the transcendental existence of Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān only briefly. When he saw the need to elaborate on his description of the Supreme, he chose to concentrate on the subject of Brahman, the impersonal aspect of the Supreme known as tat (‘that’) explaining Brahman by negating whatever is different from it. Just as in a field where a chest of jewels has been accidentally spilled the jewels can be recovered by removing unwanted stones, twigs and refuse, so within the visible realm of Māyā and her creations the Absolute Truth can be found by a process of elimination. Since we Vedas cannot possibly enumerate every material category, individual entity, quality and motion in the universe from the beginning to the end of time and since the truth concerning Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān would still remain untouched even if we described all these things and then discarded them, by this means of investigation we never expect to reach a final definition of You. Only by Your mercy can we make some attempt to approach You, the supremely inaccessible Absolute Truth.” There are many statements of śruti that carry on the work of atan-nirasanam, the process of distinguishing the Supreme from everything inferior. The Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad (3.8.8), for example, states, asthūlam anaṇu ahrasvam adīrgham alohitam asneham acchāyam atamo ’vāyv anākāśam asaṅgam arasam agandham acakṣuṣkam aśrotram agamano ’tejaskam aprāṇam asukham amātram anantaram abāhyam. “It is neither big nor small, short nor long, hot nor cool, in shadow nor in darkness. Nor is it the wind or the ether. It is not in contact with anything, and it has no taste, smell, eyes, ears, motion, potency, life air, pleasure, measurement, inside or outside.” The Kena Upaniṣad (3) declares, anyad eva tad viditād atho aviditād adhi: “Brahman is distinct from what is known and also from what is yet to be known.” And the Kaṭha Upaniṣad (2.14) says, anyatra dharmād anyatrādharmād anyatrāsmāt kṛtākṛtāt: “Brahman is outside the scope of religion and irreligion, pious and impious action.” According to the rules of linguistics and logic, a negation cannot be unbounded: there must be some positive counterpart of which it is the negation. In the case of the Vedas’ exhaustive atan-nirasanam, their denial that anything material is absolutely real, the counterpart is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Śrīla Śrīdhara Svāmī prays: dyu-patayo vidur antam ananta te na ca bhavān na giraḥ śruti-maulayaḥ tvayi phalanti yato nama ity ato jaya jayeti bhaje tava tat-padam “The gods of heaven do not know Your limit, O endless Lord, and even You do not know it. Because the transcendental words of the topmost śrutis become fruitful by revealing You, I offer You my obeisances. Thus I worship You as the Absolute Truth, saying ‘All glories to You! All glories to You!’”

Purport (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

The srutis, who attempted to define the nature of the supreme Lord, the vast ocean of sat cid ananda, through their verses of glorification, being unable to find a limit to his qualities, then gave up, and conclude their praises by indicating they had come to agreement. "Even the Lords of the upper planets such as Brahma (dyu patayah) do not find your limit. Who are we to do so then?" "But you have finer vision than them. You will find that end. Do not give up." "You also do not know your limit (tvam api). That being so, what to speak of others?" "How can that be? I am full of knowledge and power." "It is so because of your being without end. Ignorance of illusory things does not destroy your omniscience, and not attaining and end does not destroy your all powerful nature." They then describe his unlimited nature. "Inside of you, all the universes, each with seven layers ten times the thickness of the previous layer (savaranah), wander about by the wheel of time, like dust particles in the sky, not once but repetitively (saha). Therefore, because of your greatness, we srutis, have become successful by having made you the object of our prayers. Though unable to define the whole nature of you, we srutis at least in making you the subject of our verses, have been successful." "Why then are you depressed?" "After Vyasadeva described Brahman, paramatma and bhagavan, again needing to explain them more elaborately, he chose Brahman. In order to explain about that (tat) he first had to negate the material world (atat). But many philosophers have rushed into that subject and joined together to discuss the "atat," the material energy and material objects. Just as in a jewel mine, one must remove the earth, pebbles and water to get the jewels, by removing the material coverings of "atat," one can attain Brahman. We negate all the material objects which are immanent death (bhavat nidhanam), because we are unable to count all of the classes, qualities, vyakti and karmas of all the moving and nonmoving entities, even by starting at the beginning of creation and up untill its destruction. But, having negated all these things, how is it possible for us to describe and come to a conclusion about the states of Brahman, paramatma and bhagavan which are difficult to understand and unlimited? Therefore, only if we or others get your mercy, will the difficult topics become easy to understand." This has been indicated previously in verses 14, 27 and 32. The negation of the material realm has been dealt with in the srutis. asthulam ananv ahrasvam adirgham alohitam asneham acchayam atamo’ vayv anakasam asangam arasam agandham acaksukam astrotram agamano’ tejaskam aprapam asukhma amatram antanaram abahyam It is not big, not small, not short, not long, not hot, not cool, not in shadow, not in darkness, not the wind, not the ether, not in contact with anything, and has no taste, no smell, no eyes, no ears, no motion, no potency, no air of life, no pleasure, no measurement, no inside and no outside. Brhad aranyaka 3.8.8

Purport (Jiva Goswami)

Summarizing all the contents of what they said, all types of śrutis now describe the Lord by defining his svarūpa and the glories of his svarūpa, through direct meaning (mukhya) and indirect meaning (lakṣaṇā) of words. But seeing that they cannot finish glorifying, taking the opportunity, some of the śrutis conclude with one verse, repeating what they said in the beginning. Even Brahmās and Śivas (dyu--patayaḥ) of unlimited universes, stretching over unlimited time, cannot find an end to your glories. This is because you are spread over all time and space since you are unlimited (anantatayā). Within the hair holes (antarā) of your expansion (yat) Mahā-viṣṇu countless universes flow: they come out visibly at the time of creation and they disappear and enter those holes at the time of destruction, like atoms moving through a lattice holes in a window. They move with the wheel of time which destroys them. This shows the unlimited nature of time and space. Because you are the shelter of everything by your svarūpa and powers, by your nature of unlimitedness, the śrutis, coming to a conclusion in you who are unlimited, with unlimited powers, become successful, by refuting conclusions about powers other than you (ata-nirasanena), since you alone are unlimited and have unlimited powers. They are successful because of attaining the unlimited goal. The following should be said. Since the śrutis conclude in you by consolidation of all the statements, explanations of individual statements in the śrutis should end by teaching about you, while refuting anything contrary. There are many statements of refutation, but those which indicate you directly simultaneously refute the contrary statements. You are our highest goal indicated by the completely spiritual, unlimited powers of your svarūpa, proved by us śrutis. This was said in the opening statement starting with jaya jaya. The śrutis state his unlimited nature with yato vāco nivartante: words cannot describe him. He is the shelter of all the universes. Yad ūrdhvaṁ gārgi divaḥ: he is beyond the sky. (Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad) He is the shelter of all time. Sarve nimiṣā jajñire vidyutaḥ puruṣād adhi: all the components of time were born from the shining puruṣa. (Nārāyaṇa Upaniṣad) He is the meaning of all śrutis. Sarve vedā yat padam āmamanti: all the Vedas speak of the Lord’s feet. (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 1.2.15) He is the meaning of the śrutis by negation of other conclusions. Na tasya kāryam: he has not material body. (Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad) Refutation takes two forms: direct and through conclusions. Na tasya kāryam He has no material body. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad indro yāto vasitasya raja He is the king of the moving and immobile beings. Ṛg Veda 1.32.15 sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma Eerything is the Lord. Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14 This again has four forms: refuting the impersonal form, refuting material powers by showing the Lord’s unlimited inherent powers, refuting impersonal sādhana and its results, and refuting arguments using devious means, related to impersonalism. Refuting the impersonal form. Anyad eva tad viditāt The Lord is other than what is known. Kena Upaniṣad Refuting material powers. asthulam anaṇu The Lord is not big and not small. Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad Na tasya kāryam The Lord has no material body. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad Refuting impersonal sādhana anyatra dharmād anyan ādharmāt Tell me what is other than dharma and adharma, other than the means and end. Kaṭha Upaniṣad Refuting crooked behavior naiṣā tarkeṇa matir āpaneyā One cannot obtain truth by argumentation. Kaṭha Upaniṣad Nānudhyāyed bahūn śabdān vāco viglāpanaṁ hi ta Do not contemplate many words; it gives merely fatigue from speaking. Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 4.7.21

Purport (Sanatana Goswami)

In this way describing the Lord with unlimited glories, devoid of energy, the śrutis conclude. Even the devatās cannot reach the end of your glories, since (yat) you also cannot reach an end to the glories. Universes with their coverings wander about within a pore of your skin. kṣity-ādibhir eṣa kilāvṛtaḥ saptabhir daśa-guṇottarair aṇḍa-kośaḥ yatra pataty aṇu-kalpaḥ sahāṇḍa-koṭi-koṭibhis tad anantaḥ The universe covered by seven layers, each ten times thicker than the previous layer, wanders about like an atom along with billions of other universes inside of you. Therefore you are unlimited. SB 6.16.37 Though you have a limited form, you are unlimited. Though you are unlimited, you are also limited. You have unlimited glories because of your inconceivable form. The universe wander about by the force of time (vayasā), which is eternal. Because (hi) the śrutis conclude in you by rejecting everything else, they attain you by worshipping you. Thus the question of how the śrutis can deal with the supreme Brahman has been answered. The jñāna śrutis conclude in you as Brahman (bhavad-nidhanāḥ) by negation of all else. Or a request is made at the end using puns. Since you have such glories, we śrutis of whom you are the constant treasure (bhavad nidhanāḥ) reach success in you by giving up all else. Our desires are fulfilled. Or O Viṣṇu (a)! We will immediately die (bhavat nidhanāḥ) by your neglecting our desire (tat-nirasanena). They do not use the first person out of shame. By the mercy of the Lord, in time, in Nanda-gokula, they became gopīs. The story is well known. Summarizing all the contents of what they said, all types of śrutis now describe the Lord by defining his svarūpa and the glories of his svarūpa, through direct meaning (mukhya) and indirect meaning (lakṣaṇā) of words. Seeing that they cannot ever finish glorifying the Lord, taking the opportunity, some of the śrutis conclude with one verse, repeating what they said in the beginning. Even Brahmās and Śivas (dyu--patayaḥ) of unlimited universes, stretching over unlimited time, cannot find an end to your glories. This is because you are spread over all time and space, since you are unlimited (anantatayā). Within the hair holes (antarā) of your expansion (yat) Mahā-viṣṇu, countless universes flow: they come out visibly at the time of creation and they disappear and enter those holes at the time of destruction, like atoms moving through a lattice holes in a window. They move with the wheel of time which destroys them. This shows the unlimited nature of time and space. Because you are the shelter of everything by your svarūpa and powers, by your nature of unlimitedness, the śrutis, coming to a conclusion in you who are unlimited, with unlimited powers, become successful, by refuting conclusions about powers other than you (ata-nirasanena), since you alone are unlimited and have unlimited powers. They are successful because of attaining the unlimited goal. The following should be said. Since the śrutis conclude in you by consolidation of all the statements, explanations of individual statements in the śrutis should end by teaching about you, while refuting anything contrary. There are many statements of refutation, but those which indicate you directly simultaneously refute the contrary statements. You are our highest goal, indicated by the completely spiritual, unlimited powers of your svarūpa, proved by us śrutis. This was said in the opening statement starting with jaya jaya. The śrutis state his unlimited nature with yato vāco nivartante: words cannot describe him. He is the shelter of all the universes. Yad ūrdhvaṁ gārgi divaḥ: he is beyond the sky. (Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad) He is the shelter of all time. Sarve nimiṣā jajñire vidyutaḥ puruṣād adhi: all the components of time were born from the shining puruṣa. (Nārāyaṇa Upaniṣad) He is the meaning of all śrutis. Sarve vedā yat padam āmamanti: all the Vedas speak of the Lord’s feet. (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 1.2.15) He is the meaning of the śrutis by negation of other conclusions. Na tasya kāryam: he has not material body. (Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad) Refutation takes two forms: direct statements and through drawing conclusions. Na tasya kāryam He has no material body. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad indro yāto vasitasya raja He is the king of the moving and immobile beings. Ṛg Veda 1.32.15 sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma Eerything is the Lord. Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14 Refutation again has four forms: refuting the impersonal form, refuting material powers by showing the Lord’s unlimited inherent powers, refuting impersonal sādhana and its results, and refuting arguments using devious means, related to impersonalism. Refuting the impersonal form. Anyad eva tad viditāt The Lord is other than what is known. Kena Upaniṣad Refuting material powers. asthulam anaṇu The Lord is not big and not small. Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad Na tasya kāryam The Lord has no material body. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad Refuting impersonal sādhana anyatra dharmād anyan ādharmāt Tell me what is other than dharma and adharma, other than the means and end. Kaṭha Upaniṣad Refuting crooked behavior naiṣā tarkeṇa matir āpaneyā One cannot obtain truth by argumentation. Kaṭha Upaniṣad Nānudhyāyed bahūn śabdān vāco viglāpanaṁ hi ta Do not contemplate many words; it gives merely fatigue from speaking. Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 4.7.21